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litheraThe biggest problem I have with making a Toreador is that I can never seem to pick an artform. Damn. Ah well. Need to talk to Cody about character possbilities. Anyone have any suggestions on an art form that isn't cliched or stupid?
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Date: 2003-01-30 08:55 am (UTC)He was a badass. :)
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Date: 2003-01-30 10:37 am (UTC)Same with ballet.
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Date: 2003-01-30 11:05 am (UTC)I'm pondering a sneak fighter. Like my character from the D&D game; a poisioner, a back-stabber, etc. A real assassin.
Don't know.
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Date: 2003-01-30 11:53 am (UTC)Hrm
Date: 2003-01-30 01:09 pm (UTC)Far as your Toreador goes - don't worry about having an "original" artform that's never been done before. Even if it's something obvious like painting, sculpting, or carving - what's important is your character. Your fruity art obsession is just one small part of your character and a somewhat minor part at that.
That said, please, for the love of Jarlsburg and Havarti and Gouda, don't make your Toreador obsessed with combat. :)
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Date: 2003-01-30 01:19 pm (UTC)I'm not going to focus too much on orginiality. It will have to fit in with the character of course. I just wasn't coming up with anything that seemed like it wasn't done to death.
I did the Toreador martial artist once for about two sessions. I cheesed myself out and couldn't do it anymore.
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Date: 2003-01-30 01:43 pm (UTC)To me, art's primary purpose is to provide some sort of aesthetic (did I spell that right?) and/or cultural value. Martial Arts are an art in the same sense that C++ programming is an art. Sure it might look pretty, but the fact is the primary purpose of any and all martial arts is to HURT OTHER PEOPLE. There are those who do it for wellness, exercise etc and those are all valid reasons to practice martial arts. IT doesn't change the fact that the art was created with the intention of hurting others.
Talking to Jamie about this, it occured to me that stage fighting might be a cool artform though - a Toreador who stages elaborate mock-battles for the entertainment of the prince and those at Elysium. Throw in a modern twist with someone who's artform is modern SFX and whatnot to make the entertainment even more elaborate...
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Date: 2003-01-30 01:58 pm (UTC)Yeah. I was thinking cloisonne, perhaps. It's about the right time period as I was looking for and it is very interesting. Perhaps Faberge style eggs.
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Date: 2003-01-30 02:06 pm (UTC)I bet you also think that Popular Bone Gnawers, Ghetto Trash Ventrue, and Malkavians with Sock Puppets are also "Badass"
Look, Raph, Vampires have clans not just because of blood but because of common interests. They choose people similar to themselves for their clans. So you aren't going to find Ghetto Ventrue or your beloved Combat Toreador. Conversely, you aren't going to find an art fag Brujah. There are clans for a reason. You want to play a combat character? Play a frigging Brujah. You aren't being 'orignal' nor are you being 'cool.' You're being a stereotypical mouthbreather that pisses off the good roleplayers in the troupe.
You, Raph, are the type of player that Justin Achelli actually complained about. He actually singled out the "Combat toreador" and bitched about it. Did you realize that? Did you realize that the creator of Vampire hates you so much that he singled you out? You.
Why do you think he said such a thing? I suggest you think about it. You should pause for a minute, sip on your Mountain Dew, maybe go to the fridge to get some more, and give it some serious thought. Maybe tap your long fingernails on that huge frigging pale forehead of yours to try to wake up your brain. It should be in there somewhere. Go ahead and take your time, I'll be here when you come back.
Finished? Good. I'll spell it out for you in case you were distracted by the Cheetos and were unable to think straight. Raph, he bitched about combat Toreadors and other cheesy characters because they RUIN GAMES! You are the reason that the good players quit. You are the reason you'll find yourself lynched. You see, shnookums, the only way to stop a player like you is with fire and lots of it.
You are the type of person who thinks that the WWF moves in Blade II kicked ass. You're the type of guy who reads this site and says "Holy shit! I need to play a ninja in the next game I play!" You're probably also the type of guy who really enjoyed the Dungeons and Dragons movie. And that's fine, Raph. It's even fine that you call yourself "Raph." We need people like you. God knows that I would be lost without someone to say "Would you like fries with that?" at McDonalds. You're a much needed cog in our bonecrushing society. But you should know your place, and that place is NOT in an RPG. It's slaving over a hot fryer, or maybe undulating in a spastic manner at the Merc.
Think of it like a Caste system, like in India. And do you know what happens to people in India who try to raise about their own Caste? Bad things, Raph. Very bad things. Go back to your fryer. It misses you.
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Date: 2003-01-30 02:15 pm (UTC)Modern Art.
You need to be able to talk the talk, though. When you come in to Elysium with a Bicycle welded to a trash can you need to be able to...
a) Bitch out anyone who dares to suggest that it isn't art. But of course, if you can't bitch people out well, what are you doing playing a Toreador in the first place?
b) You need to be able to speak about the important socio-economic statement that the Bicycle makes by being on top of the trash can and make it sound deep.
c) You need to be completely and totally useless in every way. Just like all toreadors, and all modern artists.
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Date: 2003-01-30 02:16 pm (UTC)And as a side note, he *is* a world ranked fencer and someone I could actually see pulling off a Toreador with swordplay as an art form with some style because he knows what he's doing.
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Date: 2003-01-30 02:26 pm (UTC)I really am digging the idea of a stagefighting Torry. You wouldn't need other kindred - you could just ghoul people. Imagine over the decades and centires having a troupe of ghouled stagefighters who are constantly perfecting their art, traveling from one Domain to the next to put on shows for the Princes... it'd be neat.
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Date: 2003-01-30 11:42 pm (UTC)Wu Shu.
Its a Chinese art form that resembles fighting, but is really just martial looking acrobatics. Its the stuff that Jackie Chan and Jet Li use on movies. Flashy, pretty, but not for combat.