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Something satisfying...
About being right.
In this case it isn't anything important. Just comic book stuff. But it is very, very nice to know a character well enough to know what has to come next. It also makes me very happy to know that I'll be seeing much more of that character in the future.
And I'm coming back to my thing about chracter death. It sucks to lose characters we love. It does. It doesn't mean it shouldn't happen. BUT! In a world such as comic books there is no saying who may or many not come back at some point. Also, it is very important to me that character deaths in comic books /mean/ something. For example - Jean Grey's first death was a good death, I think. Her coming back.... I don't know. It made it mean less. I'm not sure about Jason Todd yet but I'm still leaning toward it being lame to have brought him back..... but with what is happening in the universe, it makes sense. The door between life and death is broken...
So. I'm not going to talk about specifics because I know there are people who are hating all this. I'm still on the side of really liking it.
In this case it isn't anything important. Just comic book stuff. But it is very, very nice to know a character well enough to know what has to come next. It also makes me very happy to know that I'll be seeing much more of that character in the future.
And I'm coming back to my thing about chracter death. It sucks to lose characters we love. It does. It doesn't mean it shouldn't happen. BUT! In a world such as comic books there is no saying who may or many not come back at some point. Also, it is very important to me that character deaths in comic books /mean/ something. For example - Jean Grey's first death was a good death, I think. Her coming back.... I don't know. It made it mean less. I'm not sure about Jason Todd yet but I'm still leaning toward it being lame to have brought him back..... but with what is happening in the universe, it makes sense. The door between life and death is broken...
So. I'm not going to talk about specifics because I know there are people who are hating all this. I'm still on the side of really liking it.
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The Jason Todd thing however irks me. I paid good money to vote him dead. He should've stayed that way or disclaimered it [because I was younger and more naive about the revolving pearly gates then and it didn't occur to me that copyrights and other stuff would require bringing characters back from the dead so the companies wouldn't lose their rights to the characters.]
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Jason Todd is kind of lame. But then I don't know the story yet. I thought his death was lame. But the after effects of the death were cooler than his actual death.
That said, I did kind of like the Blue Beatle's death. It made him look cool and the whole issue was a solid BB comic.
I did however hate Sue's death. That was totally pointless really.
Death should be rare and have actual meaning.
But comics arent a long term medium.
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Here's why I really hate it: It's bad writing.
Especially lately.
Lately, it seems like when a character's backstory gets too complicated to explain in under two exposition bubbles, they kill them off. When they feel there's nowhere to go with a character, they simply kill them, and that's stupid. Because there's always a story to tell. ALWAYS. If you can't think of one yourself, it is a FACT that someday someone else will, and killing off a character ruins that for the people who could tell that story. It's a selfish, lazy way of sweeping something under the rug.
Yes, we can always bring characters back - but that's lame, too. Death needs to have some weight, or how are we supposed to care when a character is in mortal danger? Look at what's happened to the Hawkman series: they recently killed Carter Hall, and sales actually dropped, because everyone knew he would just be back two issues later. After a certain point, people just stop suspending their disbelief. The fact that we can say, "Oh, well, it's comics, they can always come back" is proof that this is a problem. (yes, I know you just said that. I just felt the need to reiterate it, because it's a pet peeve of mine as well.)
It just strikes me as completely unnecessary lately - especially in DC. And the aftermath of the deaths sucks too - or, it WOULD suck, but THERE IS NONE. NONE AT ALL. Since Shayera's been killed, it's been mentioned ONCE in passing in a freaking Outsiders issue (no one in Outsiders even knew Shayera, by the by). Carter and Kendra? Could not seem to care less. THAT is just bad writing, I don't care how you spin it, if she's coming back or not, whatever - if you DO kill a character off, for the love of god MILK IT. MILK IT UNTIL WE'RE SICK OF IT. IT'S DRAMA. DRAMA HOOKS PEOPLE IN TEN TIMES MORE THAN GRATUITOUS VIOLENCE AND CHARACTER DEATHS.
And that's my rant on the subject. Sorry to go on, but it just so happens that I was talking about this exact same thing with my friend Ken at work today, and we got to bitching about it so yeah. It's sort of all on my mind already. I'll stop cluttering up your journal with my random junk now.
Really, I will.
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However, I think worlds where no one is killed, where nothing changes, where nothing is different than the way we remember it being is boring. If nothing ever changes, then what's the point? I understand what you're saying about the people who haven't gotten a chance to tell stories with those characters but I disagree that you can't ever kill someone off. Some of the best moments in fiction are character deaths.
It shouldn't be used to prop up lazy writing and it shouldn't be used because you don't want to deal with it but the most frustrating thing to me as a reader, as a roleplayer and in general is when there is no element of risk to things. The experience loses something if there is no possibility of loss and a possibility of loss needs to be followed through everyonce in awhile or it isn't truly risk. Everyone once in awhile someone needs to lose.
Shayera is bad. I'll agree with that one.
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You can have danger and drama without actually killing the characters. The awareness of death can be there even if no one actually dies. And it's also possible to turf characters temporarily without actually killing them - they did it to the entire JSA when they sent them to limbo to fight Ragnarok, didn't they?
This is where the whole suspension of disbelief comes in. It's possible to be concerned for the outcome of a story when you know deep down in your heart of hearts that the character is going to survive. You know that House is always going to diagnose the problem and cure the patient, but it doesn't stop you from having to look away when the patient starts coughing up blood. When you know that House is probably going to fail and the patient is probably going to die... what's the point of watching?
Except to hiss at Cameron for being a spineless wuss but that's another issue altogether.Yes, there are occasional exceptions that prove the rule - Jason Todd comes to mind, as his death was planned, built up to, executed well, and affected canon long afterwards - but for the most part, I can think of a dozen different ways to get a character out of the picture without killing them off, all preferable to killing them off (on Coronation Street, they send them to Canada, which makes me giggle).
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Any world that gets static gets boring. It gets so what happens to me with comics all the time, happens even more often. When I pick up a comic book, unless the writer is truly gifted, I can give you a general idea of what happens inside it. I love comics for the times they suprise me.
See, I never think that this is /proabably/. I want maybe, possibly. I want it to be something that could happen. I want people to be able to do something different. I'm not saying that this /has/ to be death but I want things to be able to surprise me.
That and there are just as many stories to tell with a character alive as there are with the character dead as there are with the character never having existed or any character to be a transvestite who only dresses in puce. Saying that there are more stories for a character ... Of course there are. That's what stories /are/.
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But before this...Jason Todd was the big black hole in the Bat-family. Everyone knew about his death, everyone had feelings about it, and it's still affecting them years upon years down the line. Bats is still screwed up about it, Tim still has it in the back of his head, and I'm fairly certain Nightwing still feels occassionally that if he hadn't given up being Robin, Jason wouldn't have died. But no one else (except maybe, just maybe, Hal Jordan) had that kind of effect in the DC universe. Which is why I'm kind of ticked that Jason and Hal are back; their deaths changed people, like deaths do. That shouldn't be screwed with.
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*hugs*
I miss you, Marci. Mike and I were talking about it the other day. There are holes that are Marci shaped that we need to find someone else to fill not so well.
Yeah. Jason... I'm still not happy with Jason. And Hal.... I can forgive bringing Hal back because the whole storyline with him going crazy (suddenly) and killing everyone and redeeming himself and then not and then dying and... It was a mess and apparently came out of the blue and was not told to any of his regular writers before it was going into production.
So.... His death had a huge impact but it could have been much more impactful.
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