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Jan. 9th, 2004 10:12 am
[personal profile] lithera
Woah.

That would be great.

The word is that when Grant Morrison is gone, away from New X-men, they'll be bringing in Joss Whedon to write.

He could save my poor, tormented X-men.

Because you know what? He's been writing X-men all along, if you look at it right. You can't help but see the comic book influences in his shows, even when he isn't directly writing them in.

Sources say it will be a year between Morrison leaving and Whedon taking over (giving him time to set up the Firefly movie, if it is going to happen.) As to who would be filling in that year, it is really unknown at this point. Rumors are flying like crazy.

Salvador LaRoca is coming back for art and that makes the world better even without knowing who will be writing.

Date: 2004-01-09 10:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] warpdragon.livejournal.com
If Joss were writing, I would consider picking up an issue or two.

Which I think is what comic book publishers realize. Pick up somebody with a fanbase from TV or movies - Joss or JMS or Kevin Smith - and you bring in new readers.

Date: 2004-01-09 10:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lithera.livejournal.com
Well, JMS more than doubled the monthly readers of Spider-Man. Kevin Smith brought Green Arrow back from the dead and did wonders for Daredevil.

The trick would be seeing if Joss could do the same for New X-men. It already has about 130,000 readers.

I think this is a good move but it is still a time in the future. No idea who is filling in that year, yet. Rumors say Neil Gaiman but he says he's too busy writing his book and I believe that.

Date: 2004-01-09 10:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mizkit.livejournal.com
I'm so burned on X-Men that even the possibility of Joss writing makes me leery. How sad is that?

Date: 2004-01-09 10:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lithera.livejournal.com
I understand how you feel, I really do. It's just... I want to read good X-men stories. I want someone to do something... well... good. Maybe even inventive and new.

Date: 2004-01-09 10:58 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] arctures.livejournal.com
...but will Buffy join the X-Men, to battle the nefarious Baron Blood at the Hellmouth under Doom's castle?

Date: 2004-01-09 11:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lithera.livejournal.com
... Dear God, I hope not.

And besides, why are the X-men fighting Doom anyway? There are people better suited for it.

Date: 2004-01-09 11:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bastardchimp.livejournal.com
Eep!

I have to admit that I disagree...I'm worried about Joss Whedon's jumping on the NEW XMEN title...His writing does absolutely nothing for me. I've never been a fan of anything he's done, not Buffy, not Angel, not Firefly (although, yeah, I understand he didn't exactly WRITE all of them).

Following Grant Morrison's going to be really tough...His run was, easilly, the best run on XMEN in my lifetime.

We'll see, though..I'm willing to give it a try, of course.

Date: 2004-01-09 11:13 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] arctures.livejournal.com
Y'got me.

Although I think Doom is currently dead, or something, and the UN is attacking the FF for taking over his nation...

Date: 2004-01-09 11:13 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] arctures.livejournal.com
*peers*

You actually like his current run on New X-Men?

Date: 2004-01-09 11:13 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lithera.livejournal.com
*shudders*

I have hated everything Morisson has done. I wrote a rant about it not too long ago. I'd rather not go back into it here since it makes me sputter somewhat incoherently after just a little bit.

Date: 2004-01-09 11:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lithera.livejournal.com
I have no idea. I don't read the FF.

Date: 2004-01-09 11:18 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bastardchimp.livejournal.com
OH my GOD yes. I do. I've read the XMEN for, like, FOREVER...Since at LEAST the mid 80's, and I have never before felt the genuine sense of dread and "How are they going to get out of THIS" as I have with Grant writing. His characterizations of usually 1 dimensional characters (Like CYCLOPS who is pretty much set-decoration or BEAST wh noone was ever really able to get right) have made me just giddy. Honestly. Some of the things Beast says just make me laugh out loud. (Just imagine Kelsey Grammer's voice on a CGI Beast-perfection).

I don't know...He made them hard core and I really have enjoyed it.

Date: 2004-01-09 11:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bastardchimp.livejournal.com
HEE...I understand. He's an evil, evil man...But as I mentioned to another person who ppsted here, as a longtime XMEN fan, this is the first time in almost ten years that I've been genuinely excited for the next issue and impressed with the direction he has taken. he's very brave. "Fans" tend to really dislike bravery because it challenges things too much.

But, you know, again, to each their own.

Date: 2004-01-09 11:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lithera.livejournal.com
See for me it has driven me crazy. He did things like give back the Prof's legs just to take them again. He killed Mags, brought him back and killed him again. He killed and brought back Jean. He made Scott waver on whether or not he should be with Emma or Jean and he just waffled on it for like a year.

And while I'm all about bringing in new blood the Revolt at the Mansion is really where he completely lost me. I cannot see the X-men just letting that happen as it seemed they did.

To me, he may have made them hardcore but he also lost a lot of what the X-men are in doing so.

And Magneto on drugs? He was much more effective as a martyr.

Date: 2004-01-09 11:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bastardchimp.livejournal.com
To be honest? I don't really think it actually WAS Magneto.

Think about that for a moment.

; )

Date: 2004-01-09 11:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lithera.livejournal.com
I want challenges, honestly. I just couldn't agree with the direction he took things. It isn't how I saw the cahracters developing at all. I think I would have liked it much better had he not set things up just to knock them down.

He started to lose me with the evil twin of Professor X. It seemed a random plot device that could have been replaced by something less.... hokey... and set up the things that it did.

I just get frustrated with writers who write in these great and brave choices only to later change them back. It loses the effect of having made the first change.

Date: 2004-01-09 11:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lithera.livejournal.com
.... See, that doesn't really make it better. It's just another, "Oh! I've fooled you! You thought it was really this one thing but it was really this other random thing you had no chance of figuring out at all."

It could be cool, I'll grant you that. Just the X-men have cliches and using them again doesn't make them any less cliched.

Date: 2004-01-09 11:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bastardchimp.livejournal.com
Well, you know, if I know Grant (and I've read pretty much everything I could get my hands on...Some of it I have loved- DOOM PATROL, ANIMAL MAN, ZENITH, NEW XMEN...Some of it I just couldn't get into - THE FILTH...And some of it I found terrible intriguingin but almost incomprehensible THE INVISIBLES) it's all one big head-trip somehow...I mean, the next arc takes place in the future so who the heck knows?

Date: 2004-01-09 11:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elsewhere7.livejournal.com
Still too long. Morrison's not gone yet, and I'm still counting the days until he finally leaves. I mean, I wish him a full, happy, and successful life, and may no harm tome to him. Just get him the sprock away from my X-books.

Sometimes, I /am/ too nice for my own good.

Date: 2004-01-09 11:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lithera.livejournal.com
Yeah. I'll be looking at the future arc. I have been told by people who haven't liked this at all that this arc is really, really good.

I liked the Invsivbles, though I always felt as though there was something missing...

Date: 2004-01-09 11:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lithera.livejournal.com
I feel the same way you do.

I want to know who will fill in that year...

Date: 2004-01-09 11:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mizkit.livejournal.com
Yeah. I just have so little faith left. Snif. :)

Date: 2004-01-09 11:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bastardchimp.livejournal.com
I can see that. I just think they really needed someone to come in and shake things up a little...

And the cliche' thing is a good thing to bring up because that's what Joss Whedon's famous for, really...Taking cliche's and kind of saying "See? Isn't this funny?"

We'll just have to see...PERSONALLY, I'd like to see more unsigned creators (AHEM...HELLO?) other than Hollywood muckitty mucks taking over books.

I'm STILL waiting for the last book of SPIDERMAN BLACK CAT and the rest of DAREDEVIL: TARGET from Kevin Smith and it's been, what, over a year?

Date: 2004-01-09 11:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lithera.livejournal.com
*snugs*

I feel you, sister. I do.

I've become almost entirely a DC girl over the past few years and it makes me somewhat sad.

It isn't that I'm not enjoying my DC-fest but... I miss at time when the X-men didn't seem schizophrenic.

Date: 2004-01-09 11:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bastardchimp.livejournal.com
There's a lot of legwork involved in THE INVISBLES...it's definately a challenge issued to us, as readers, to research some of the issues involved. It was DEFINATELY not just a comic book...Some people like their comics to just be comics. I can respect that. I do, for the most part, but I like a little kick in the pants every so often.

Date: 2004-01-09 11:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lithera.livejournal.com
True, but JMS is doing such wonderful things on Spider-Man. It /could/ be like that.

And that's why I like Joss. He takes the cliches and makes them funny or makes them poingent again. He doesn't use them as everyone else does - he gives them a new spin.

I'd like to see someone take the X-men from where they are and move them forward, actually evolve them forward a little.

Like Jean - What would it mean to have come back from the dead? I've never felt that that has actually been looked at well. If you're going to do something make it have ramifications that really mean something.

I agree with you that shaking things up = good. I just suddenly felt that I didn't know who any of these people were. I'd been reading constantly and it felt like I'd stopped for ten years and come back to people I didn't know anymore and I couldn't find the people I knew.

Date: 2004-01-09 11:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bastardchimp.livejournal.com
Oh yeah...The problem with the XMEN has always been continuity issues...ESPESCIALLY with Jean Grey's whole thing...She died, she came back, she was phoenix, then she was dark phoenix, then she died again, but it wasn't her, so she came back but then she was madeline pryor, but she wasn't then she was Jean Grey again now she 's Phoenix again and dead again...

It's nutty.

I think the concept of secondary mutations is great...And her past history as the Phoenix (well, NOT as the phoenix, but with everyone telling her she WAS the Phoenix) is causing her secondary mutation to appear in the phoenix form...

I dunno...It's all so convoluted from years and years of tampering.

SIGH...I miss my early issues of EXCALIBUR...

Date: 2004-01-09 12:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lithera.livejournal.com
Yeah. I did like the secondar mutations thing. I did like that but some of them seemed really random. I guess secondary mutations should be as much so as primary ones, to be honest.

Though if we're going with mutations, shouldn't they appear as a response to the environment.

I find myself liking the movie verse more and more. It cuts out all of the junk and stays true to the characters. I never thought I would cry for Jean Grey or Scott Summers but I did.

Date: 2004-01-09 12:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bastardchimp.livejournal.com
I AGREE!

I enjoy the movies because they have a foot firmly set in "reality" (as real as a world with mutant super-powers can be). I LOVED the way they handled Nightcrawler (my favorite-although I would have liked a WEE bit more swashbuckling romance there...But it's such a little complaint...) and I'm anxious to see how they handle the Phoenix situation without the wacky Shi'Ar Empire stuff.

Date: 2004-01-12 08:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lithera.livejournal.com
I really enjoyed it. There is something that irks me about Rogue and Bobby together but I got over it, for the most part. I am also anxious to see how they handle the Phoenix thing but they have a few outs while keeping it set in the setting they have... one of them being the whole secondary mutation thing.

What is Magneto's device activated secondary mutations in those who had them?

Date: 2004-01-12 08:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bastardchimp.livejournal.com
That's exactly what I think it is...Magneto's deviced caused secondary mutations...Go back and watch the first movie again and pay close attention to Jean during the Liberty Island scenes. At one point she has a bit of a reaction on her face that I think was a little intentional clue for things to come.

Date: 2004-01-12 09:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lithera.livejournal.com
EXACTLY!

I thought I was the only person who noticed that. it's why things start to go all wacky for her powers, too.

Date: 2004-01-12 09:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bastardchimp.livejournal.com
Yes! very small little reaction, but it's too distinctive to not have been planned.

Date: 2004-01-12 09:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lithera.livejournal.com
... And to think, we started out this conversation in distinct opposition.

Awwww.

Date: 2004-01-12 09:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bastardchimp.livejournal.com
Well, you're still wrong about that.

; )

I kid you.

You know something...You and I may be the only souls on the planet who noticed that. We're the King and Queen of Geek. ALL HAIL US!

Don't um...Don't tell anyone.

Date: 2004-01-12 09:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lithera.livejournal.com
All Hail Us, indeed.

Well, we can agree to disagree about Morrison, I think.

As a side note, Claremont's run on JLA scares the heck out of me and it isn't even out yet.

Date: 2004-01-12 09:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bastardchimp.livejournal.com
I can't imagine.

I dropped JLA a long time ago because I needed to cut down on books...I could never seem to get into team books, althoug WILDCATS 3.0 has been fan-freakin'-tastic.

Date: 2004-01-12 09:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lithera.livejournal.com
It is! I am so glad that they're dealing with it this way, though I'm... I feel as though there is something missing from it. I think I'll feel better when they start dealing more closely with Zealot.

Date: 2004-01-12 09:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bastardchimp.livejournal.com
See, now, I missed the end of volume 2, but I though she was dead?

Personally, I never liked WILDCATS until volume 2...but I miss what's his face...Warblade?

Date: 2004-01-12 09:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lithera.livejournal.com
Ah. See, she is that good. She made everyone think she was dead so she could go underground and covertly take out the Coda. She started them but they'd become this abomnination of what she made that needed to be stopped.

There was a great issue where Grifter was drunk at a bar after obviously looking for women who looked like Zealot to sleep with. A woman shows up at his table and he says something about her not even looking like her and, of course, it is Zealot. She tells him he's pathetic, sleeps with him and then leaves.

I kind of miss Warblade too. I definately miss Void.

Date: 2004-01-12 10:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bastardchimp.livejournal.com
Now, are they all deadski?

Again, the only vol. 1 WILDCATS (I'm sorry...Back then it was called wildC.A.T.S.) stuff I have are the Travis Charest issues...Then I picked up on Volume 2 which, from what I could tell, managed to do a pretty good job of creating a new direction...

Date: 2004-01-12 10:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lithera.livejournal.com
They're not all dead, as can be seen by the past few issues. She's still working on killing them all and now they're realized what's going on. Apparently we're going to deal with Zealot and the Coda soon.

I have it all back to Vol. 1. Lots and lots.

Date: 2004-01-12 10:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bastardchimp.livejournal.com
Volume 1 was so poor...UGH...

I'm glad to see Ladytron back...kiiinda...she was always bad ass.

Date: 2004-01-12 10:20 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lithera.livejournal.com
That was so weird. I was like "Hey, wait a... Oh. OH!"

It was but I had a weakness for Zealot and once I start buying a comic, it is a real pain for me to stop. Especially when I have it since #1.

Date: 2004-01-12 10:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bastardchimp.livejournal.com
I actually still have a couple of action figures...Grifter (Wolverine with guns) and um...The other guy LOL...I'm lost on names...the android guy who's the big man now. Whatever he was called back then (forgive me...i'm drawing a complete blank)

Date: 2004-01-12 10:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lithera.livejournal.com
Spartan.

I like Grifter, too. It's better now that he's having to find ways to overcome a severe injury. (Wow. Someone with a lingering injury in a comic book!)

Date: 2004-01-12 10:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bastardchimp.livejournal.com
YES! Spartan. Sorry.

I'm really intrigued with the whole corporate espionage angle of this series. I think Wax is awesome and he's doing what, logically, any guy would do if they had the ability.

Date: 2004-01-12 10:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lithera.livejournal.com
Heh. I don't know if it is what I would do or not but maybe... I know I'd think about it.

Date: 2004-01-12 10:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bastardchimp.livejournal.com
I need to get the rest of volume 2...I stopped in the beginning of the Serial Boxes arc.

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